Spontaneous Poetics – 90 (Ted Berrigan Defends Anne Waldman)

 [Anne Waldman & Ted Berrigan – Photograph by  Gerard Malanga – Copyright The Photographer]

Ted Berrigan:  Are you making a criticism (of Anne Waldman) on those grounds (set theory, mathematics)?

Allen Ginsberg: Pardon me?

TB: Is he (one of the students) making a criticism (of Anne) on that grounds?

AG: I don’t know.  I think so, yeah

TB: I want you to tell me. I’d like to know who he is.

AG: I’m making a criticism. I’m criticizing Anne’s later poems.

TB: But you’re making it on different grounds, Allen (and your grounds are not valid either), but … Read More

Spontaneous Poetics – 89 (Allen Ginsberg on Anne Waldman)

[Anne Waldman – Photograph by Greg Fuchs via AnneWaldman.org]

Student: A lot of Anne (Waldman)’s poems are that way (oracular, rhapsodic) like “Musical Garden”, a breath of fresh air. They can pick you up and just…

AG: Yeah

Student : ..stanza after stanza, ( with a hook line) – “Can’t give you up”

AG: Yeah

Student: The “Pressure” poem

Student: That’s not all one line, is it?

AG: No, these are separate lines. Same principle, though – a repeated refrain.. The thing is “Pressure” is.. as distinct from other poems of Anne’s.. “Pressure”.. was the first of her magnificent … Read More

Spontaneous Poetics 87 – (Allen Edits A Student’s Poem – 3)

AG: Er.. (Well), unbeknownst to everybody –  separately – every time anyone’s been giving me poems, I’ve been doing this to them [editing them], to about half, or a third, of the class, at least…

Student: Allen, how would you have closed the spacing (to just tie it in to what you were doing before)? How would you take a long line like that? What would you do with the spacing?

AG: Oh no, this is another… this is an example of long line, like Smart, like Whitman, like “Howl.”

Student: So you would have … Read More

Spontaneous Poetics 86 – (Allen Edits A Student’s Poem – 2 – Allen Ginsberg and Ted Berrigan)

[Ted Berrigan and Allen Ginsberg by Paul Killebrew via Poetry Foundation]

Ted Berrigan: I’m in favor of the addition of as many words as possible in a poem…

AG: Oh, God, I’m in favor of taking out as many words as possible!

TB: It’s just to see if you can get away with it. It has to be good.

AG: Oh well, if you’re conscious of seeing what you can get away with, that’s another matter, but here, I think, it was the first attempt at writing a “list poem”, (in which the “you” and “like” … Read More

Spontaneous Poetics 83 (Edward Marshall – 3)

[The conclusion of Gary Snyder’s “Myths & Texts Part III – Burning” opposite the opening of Edward Marshall’s “Leave The Word Alone” in The New American Poetry (1945-1960), Evergreen/Grove Press, 1960 – edited by Donald M Allen – Marshall and his poem were omitted from the revised edition of this book subsequent published as The Postmoderns, 1994]

Poet, Ted Berrigan is sitting in on Allen’s class and he chimes in

Ted Berrigan: Well, Allen, there he (Edward Marshall)’s using the word “they” (“they are/ dangerous”)…

AG: Yeah

TB: …to refer to “word”, “Bible” and “barbed wire”…

AG: Okay

TB: …and … Read More