Allen Ginsberg’s January 1980 Naropa class on Basic Poetics continues with transcription of one-on-one conversation that appears to take place after the formal end of the class
AG: Pat (sic), did you ever read that – (Thomas) Campion‘s treatises on the music and poetry?
Student (Pat (sic)) : I’ve read the Observations in The Art of English Poesie
AG: Is that the one that takes up quantitative.?
Student (Pat): Yeah
AG: Do you have a copy of Campion ? Could you prepare a little summary of his ideas on quantity…You know what he says about that?
[Allen is temporarily distracted … Read More
Allen Ginsberg’s January 1980 Basic Poetics class continues (in preparation for future notes on John Dowland) AG; Apparently, I have.. the “Fine Knacks For Ladies“ that you gave me the recording? – I have some (John) Dowland around and I had that so I’ll try and bring in a… I was going to try and get Charlie (Ross – sic) to bring in a phonograph today. Were there any others on that beside the “Fine Knacks For Ladies” ?
Transcription of Allen’s “Basic Poetics” class, from 1980 at Naropa, continues. The previous tape (tape 9 of 35) is missing and this tape comes in (towards the end of a class) with an in-class performance]
JC: I mean, that just has..you know. Like, I mentioned before about Henry Miller – the one book.. when they ask(ed) me what books people should read for this course, I mention(ed) the Henry Miller book, (The)Time of the Assasins, because, I mean, simply because it made me feel like.. That was he book that made me want to get into music, you know.
I mean, it’s his assessment of Rimbaud – it’s really just as much his assessment of Henry Miller, of course – but I
This weekend, following on from last weekend, transcription of the 1980 Jim Carroll music and poetics workshop at Naropa continues.
For the two previous segments – see here and here
JC: And also I mean, like, people, eventually, knew where his [Bob Dylan‘s] influences were coming from, whereas they didn’t know where Lou (Reed)’s influences were coming from. Not as many people had read Delmore Schwartz as Allen Ginsberg and Rimbaud. And so, I don’t know, there were certain songs of Dylan’s which just got…I lost faith in, for a while, you know. And then … Read More
Allen Ginsberg’s remarks on Basil Bunting’s lectures continues – see here, here and here
AG: So Louis Zukofsky, in modern times, was the most subtle person working with different measures and with a pure relation between musical forms and quantitative count and he was saying that the madrigal distorts words (because you’ve got several lines at once) and so words are not allowed to take whatever stress is appropriate to them in
AG: So then, the next thing would be the comparing of the time of the steps, the time it takes for steps, or the ratio of times of the steps, to count the syllables. In.. an orderly measure in dance would be the steps, in music, it would be the notes, in poetry, the syllables. A pattern of spatial rhythms,
Student: Is the “one-eyed Ford” something you just made up now?
AG: No , the “one-eyed Ford” is a famous American-Indian twentieth-century.. It’s a great line! – It’s one of the great lines in America .. of the, as-yet, unacademicized poetry. The many many versions of the “one-eyed Ford” song (South-West – Oklahoma, actually – I heard it last year… last heard it (with Harry Smith) in Anadarko, Oklahoma) – “My one-eyed Ford”! – It’s a great … Read More
AG: Some of the ideas that (Basil) Bunting was laying out, I would like to lay out here because they’re just very interesting. He was saying that, first of all, English poetry was sung up until the 17th century. All the poets wrote for singing
including, of all people, John Donne! – Donne was sung. He was put to music by a fellow named Ferrabosco of that era (do you know anything about that?) –
Well, apparently Donne was actually sung. Donne is usually taught nowadays as
if he… you know.. he has one or two
JC: Well, I’m going to play a song that was a great.. one of
..Actually, I’m going to play this early Velvet Underground song and then I’m going to play a Phil Ochs song. For some reason,
Phil Ochs and The Velvet Underground have this weird connection for me. I mean.
they got me into poetry as much as Bob.. well more than Bob Dylan, and as much
as Frank O’Hara