AG: So in order to strike a “second heat/ upon the Muse’s anvil”, using Robert Herrick as a model, I want now to enter onto the whole subject, not of length of syllables in a line, but the count of syllables in the line (because that’s something we haven’t really gone over, except, I think I’ve refered to it with Marianne Moore). And (Robert) Herrick is real interesting on that, and real simple. Once you pick up the hang of what he’s doing, you realize that that’s another way of getting your lines to have … Read More
JC: Well, I’m going to play a song that was a great.. one of
..Actually, I’m going to play this early Velvet Underground song and then I’m going to play a Phil Ochs song. For some reason,
Phil Ochs and The Velvet Underground have this weird connection for me. I mean.
they got me into poetry as much as Bob.. well more than Bob Dylan, and as much
as Frank O’Hara
[Allen (at Naropa in 1980) continues his survey through a xeroxed classroom anthology of the Sapphic form, paying particular attention today to the late work of W.H.Auden]
AG: So from that (from Robert Bridges), we get into, I think you have the Vernon Watkins and the..
AG: There’s Auden (W.H.Auden), and then from the front, mixed up in the front there’s Vernon Watkins and Louis MacNeice .. had rough Sapphics – (it’s way up front, we don’t need it now). Auden, however, is.. funny. So I think I’ll take two brief Auden Sapphics … Read More
July 4 1952
Dear Mr Ginsberg.
I have been thinking about this manuscript [Empty Mirror] which you have left me. I am sad to find that it reflects hardship. You have ability, and that means responsibility, does it not? There are in writing a few technicalities to think about; but the thing that matters is our sense of awareness; this comes first. What are we to … Read More
[AG: Onward!.. Skipping over (Ezra) Pound (except one little thing. because we don’t have much (time)… I want to skip over Pound – we’ll come back to Pound)…]
AG: Jaime d’Angulo (1887), was a friend of Marianne Moore and Ezra Pound and a great crank, a hero… Gary Snyder’s hero. Jaime d’Angulo is Gary Snyder’s hero. If you want to know Snyder’s origins, you go to Jaime d’Angelo. D’Angulo was born in Spain and educated in Switzerland, and went to the Wild West and worked as a cowboy, and was a great philologist and linguist, and … Read More
tape resumes in media res.. class discussion of traditional and modernist metrics
AG:…. how many (syllables in the) French alexandrine?
AG: Twelve. And if you write in eight, eleven, or twelve syllables, pretty soon you develop an automatic body ear for being able to do it. Among moderns, Kenneth Rexroth‘s longer works are done by syllables – you’ll see a long column of poetic lines and they’re all six or seven or eight syllables. A number of poets worked with that. So that was Marianne Moore‘s way.
H.D. – Hilda Doolittle was a lesbian and … Read More
AG: To make a long story short, (Ezra) Pound went to Venice, (and) studied some classical languages and Renaissance, and Provencal poetries, specializing in two areas – one, where the language moved, from Latin to a provincial language, that is to say, where writers made the transition from writing in classical Latin to writing in French Provencal, or troubadour language, or.. what other languages?..in Italy, that was…
Student: It’s Provencal in the south of France, and koine for northern Spain and Italy.
AG: What was it called?
AG: [phonetically] ko-ee-nay
Student: K-O-I-N-E It’s a common language..
AG … Read More