Time and Sound – 20 (Naropa Classroom Discussion – 9 )

Transcription of Allen Ginsberg’s 1985 class discussion from Naropa continues from here

Student: But why do you always have to assume things in the negative (to offer truth)?    Maybe some people can see things more clearly in the positive sense?
AG: Give me an instance.
Student: Like your father [as he was in the process of dying (sic)] – “I think you have a swollen ankle, what’s the big deal?”
AG:  No, I think he thought he had cancer of the brain (until we told him).
Student: Right (which was worse).
AG: So?
Student: Well,  maybe he could’ve thought something better.  Maybe he could have thought something much lesser than (the) reality?
AG::  But then he wouldn’t have been prepared for his death.
Student: Right
AG: And then that would have been a big mess for everybody.

Student: But does everybody think in the negative. Do people think that things are worse than they really are all the time?
AG: Very often.
Student; Why?
AG: Very often  – for fear – well, just because the imagination (goes towards) people being hurt. I don’t know why . I know when I do sitting meditation, nine time out of ten, when I”m drawn into a mental day-dream, it usually will be an anxiety trip. I’ll somehow think.. it will involve, like, I’ll walk into a room, and I’ll get arrested because I was carrying some grass, and because I forgot I had it in my left-hand pocket in the pair of pants from the Brooks Brothers jacket which I (actually) didn’t buy. So I (have) some pair of pants from Brooks Brothers in which I put some pot and I get arrested, and just as I get arrested I wake up and I realize that I am sitting on my zafu and (that) nothing actually happened!

Student (2): You’re consciously thinking this?

AG: Well (making something up)
Student: It’s true.
AG: Yeah, that everybody’s sick – or I’m sick . I’m sick,  or I’m sick so I think everybody’s sick.
Student: But that’s dreams, right?...

to be continued

Audio for the above can be heard here , beginning at approximately one-hundred-and-three-quarter minutes in and concluding at approximately one-hundred-and-two-and-a-half minutes in

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