Gregory Corso and Allen Ginsberg in conversation continues from here
AG: Peter is treated relatively gently.
AG: His later period of indulgence and dissipation is dealt with in a very straightforward way without over-exaggeration.
GC: Yeah..ok.. now Kerouac…
AG: However, I don’t know.. I don’t know if he’s given credit for the genius of his poetry and the lyricism that (William Carlos) Williams admired, and that I always liked, and that you even wrote a little piece about..
GC: Yes, yeah.
AG: …and that Kerouac thought was marvelous.
GC: Where’s he going to go? Where’s he going to go, Peter? Does he have to go anywhere with it?
AG: With what? With his present state?
GC: Yeah, with his poetry, see what I mean? That could hurt this man a lot..
AG: You know the amazing thing is…
GC: …guys like you who are, you know, you’re up there..
AG: The amazing thing about Peter, is that he’s always a poet when he’s talking. Like last night, I was listening through his door, he was muttering to himself, “Everybody says I’m nothing but a mouse, a rotten mouse, everybody throws me away like a rotten mouse” – That’s a fantastic phrase – “a rotten mouse”.
GC: I don’t think so. I think he should be very happy and proud where he is at this stage of life.
AG: No, I’m just talking about the quality of the phrasing – “the rotten mouse”.
GC: That everybody treats him like a rotten mouse.
AG: No, no, no, the quality of the phrasing of “rotten mouse” is very very…
GC: …is poetic.
AG: ..very original.
GC: Okay, Allen okay,
AG: Not a rat.
GC: I know, not a rat.
AG: A mouse, and a rotten mouse. You know, Peter’s suffering terribly, you know
GC: Yeah. Why do you think that’s so?. I mean – because he’s with a big deal like you, he’s in a rareified air..
AG: No, he’s…
GC: …and he’s like your lackey, you know, he’s always there, with you and him at readings (they don’t come to hear him, they come to hear you)
AG: (You’re saying) that in present tense.
GC: Well, he hasn’t been doing it for a while has he?
AG: Five, six.. maybe nine years.
GC: Ah, it’s a long time now, see! He probably woke up to the fact that..
GC: Can he handle it alone, by himself, if he was going to give a poetry reading alone?
AG: Yes, Peter could, has had poetry readings alone, sure a great poet alone.
GC: Okay, I’d like to see that.
AG: He’s probably better without me around.
GC: Well you got the show you know that. You and Gary (Snyder)?
AG: However I think Peter’s sorrows are much deeper than his relation with me.
to be continued