AG: Have you had any before,?
TM: I think so
AG: It’s really good. I can’t drink milk, so..
TM: O my word! I drink a half gallon a day.
[Allen acknowledges and waves to the camera]
AG: So, do you like my digs?
AG: It’s amazing. After the other place I lived in.
TM: I know there were various places.
AG: I was 20 years in that walk-up [437 East 12th Street].
TM: … (..Museum) – It was from July. It was called “I Would Have Shot Andy Warhol”, after I saw the movie, it’s a review of the movie.
AG : Is it any good?
TM: The movie, “I Shot Andy Warhol”?
AG: [taking out his camera to photograph Taylor]: Yeah.
TM: It’s terrific. And the Basquiat movie, did you see that?
AG: No, I missed both of them.
TM: Both of them?
AG: (I) haven’t been going to the movies much.
[Allen begins giving Taylor a tour of the new apartment]
AG: This painting by Gregory Corso, it’s Pearl Harbor Day
TM: Oh yeah.
AG: Here is a painting by Joe Brainard in there.
TM: It looks like Jim Morrison.
[Allen, next, referring to another artwork] (..the rose..and it had that picture at the top, the bottle..)
TM: Well, I remember, Larry Rivers, when I first came to New York in the’40s, he did a Lincoln Center thing of one of his Surrealist works that I really liked
AG: [points to and shows] Keith Haring
TM: Oh my god, It’s a great Keith Haring. Wow!
AG: [referring to Sebastian Piras, the filmmaker] – Has he got the right light?, angle (for the picture)?
TM: That has a plot to it.
AG: He gave me two things. That other thing is Keith’s also. This is a somewhat idealized version of my daydreams – sexual delights.
AG: (It’s) someone in a house.
TM: I love those colors, it’s great!
AG: Yeah. It’s kind of a joke.
TM: Well, I don’t think so. You’re sort of everybody’s…
AG: I thought nobody would treat me like that..
TM: ..the thought of everybody’s Buddha, from going way back..
AG: So this is..(another) area… I was totally knocked out by..
..[Allen previously mentions his admiration for Ron Rice’s “The Flower Thief”, starring Taylor Mead]
TM: But we were inspired, Ron and I (Ron Rice and I) both by “Pull My Daisy”.
TM: Within a week after we saw “Pull My Daisy”, Ron says.. you know, the spontaneity of “Pull My Daisy”, we were totally influenced by that.
TM: ..and we saw..
AG: I’d like to see that again. I haven’t seen that in years.
TM: Well, great film.
AG: Yep, really good film.
TM: Well, but your film cost a couple of thousand, right? Ours cost about 85 bucks! to..
AG: No, ours cost 2500 to…3000!
TM: Oh really? Ours caused maybe… well, Ron forged cheques on his girlfriend’s.. and I had..
AG: So what happened to the later footage he did?
TM: Well the best.. My favorite film is the Queen of Sheba Meets The Atom Man with that great black woman..
TM: Wini [Winifred] Bryan, yes.
AG: I used to know her years back before that, even, in the ‘40’s..
TM: She died about ten years ago.
AG: But Wini was quite intelligent, but he.. she had a wig.
TM: Very bright, yes. Ron caught her once without her wig (we didn’t see her for weeks after!)
AG: (I was) in this apartment many times for parties. Years ago, it was Karel Appel‘s, the painter..
TM: Oh yes, well I was here when it was a total wreck.
TM: …let his girlfriends…
AG: No, no, he had a.. he stacked his paintings, millions of paintings.
TM: Yeah, yeah, I was just so shocked. It was like a warehouse.
AG: And then I had.. bought it a year-and-a-half ago, and been working on it ever since.
AG: All the light is great!
TM: Yeah, I remember it as very dark and dingy.
AG: No, it’s heaven! You wake up in the morning and it’s so different from where I rent(ed) for 20 years – and I have (a) cardiac problem..
TM: Oh my god!
AG: …so I can’t climb the steps anymore. (But) This is a great elevator [points to the elevator]. So, I’m fixed up.
TM: I’m up a 5-flight walk-up on Ludlow Street.
AG: Oh god!
TM: It’s become a great block, very interesting.
AG: Yeah. So it’s just a walk up..
TM: Well, I keep telling myself it’s good for my heart, it’s good for.. because I got so..
AG: Well, maybe. My heart problem comes from an overdose of an anti-biotic in the hospital – medical nemesis.
[discussion moves on, to old age and sex]
AG: It’s just that’s a shot in the dark, so – who wants to? If you’ve got somebody you’ve got a heartache for..
TM: If it’s really great, then I don’t think about that, but otherwise, even if it’s good, I get this terrible conscience thing, that lasts for about a week
AG: Well, I get into these heart-throb situations. ..They seem to last for years…as friends.. so, but I can’t cum, by myself, so what I need is somebody to tickle my bottom or put his head on my chest..Somebody…
TM: Well, I never.. I try not to cum. I still have the same number of wet dreams that I had fifty years ago.
TM: But I’ve always had a terrible conscience thing, after I cum.
AG: Are you Catholic or something?
TM: No, Presbyterian.
AG: So what’s..
TM: Very severe Wasp [White Anglo-Saxon Protestant] family background.
AG: So what’s the problem?
TM: I’m a Super-Wasp – Methodist, Presbyterian, Episcopalian, and Lutheran. It’s something in my conscience.. I can’t…
AG: Well, what does your conscience say?
TM: It’s “la petite mort”, it’s “grande mort”!
AG: [reaches over and kisses him] My dear!
TM: Only one year older.
AG: I thought you were somewhere in your 50’s, or something.
TM: I tell people I’m 27 or vice-versa!
AG: I thought you were in your 50’s!, so you’re older than me!
AG: Oh daddy-o!
[AG then goes to light incense on his home altar and potter around the apartment]
TM: You know, under the Islamic people that.. (they used to live next door, I think)…
AG: No, but I know, there’s a poet-friend who’s Sufi – Daniel Moore from San Francisco, you remember him? ..And then he went on a Hajj.. and he studied with teachers in Africa, and in Morocco, and is very learned, and is a good poet. City Lights put out some early books (of his) [Dawn Visions (1964) and Burnt Heart (1971)]
TM: Well, the Islamic people scare me. Anti-homosexual.