AG: Well, I don’t know. What happened to the “of”? – [”That She, dear She might take some pleasure/Of my pain”] – “of my pain”, “pleasure of my pain” – That’s one of the problems of the transcription. So we’ll substitute the “That” for the “Of”, we’ve still got six
“Pleasure might cause her read,/ reading might make her know”, no, “Pleasure/ might cause her/ read,/ … Read More
AG: (Sir Philip) Sidney’s Sonnets are pretty funny. Number one, particularly – 176 – a couple of pages later – Remember Anne (Waldman) the other day read, in her reading, she read a sonnet that was.. “My love is like my love and she’s like me, and her heart heart like mine, and mine…” [Editorial note – “Two Hearts – After Sir Philip Sidney”‘ – (“She’s got my heart and I’ve got hers..”‘)]…(which) was an imitation of Astrophel and Stella, and probably the first..
AG: – Is [Hart Crane’s] ”Atlantis” in here? – where you’ll find something similar [to Fulke Greville] there. The reason I was thinking of that little poem is that it’s got a lot of.. it’s a seminal poem that a lot of people have heard that got a little vibe out of – Crane’s Atlantis, and, if it’s not here, I’ll bring it in some other time …. Nine-forty-three..Hart? what? One-thousand-and-eighty-three – Hart Crane.. I’ll see if I can find a similar piece of rhetoric…No, “Atlantis” isn’t here.. Well, okay I’ll substitute for that another piece of … Read More
AG: Yeah, I like that line too. The reason I like that line , that is.. What’s your kick on that?
Student: I don’t know, It seems like thought, just the idea of, like, spiritual hypocrisy again
AG: Well, the idea there is.. Alright, yes – The Christ’s “false flames spiritual but infernal”, (or the acid-heads’ “false flames spiritual but infernal”, if you want to give it a present application). But, what I like about that line, particularly, is “nor with..” … Read More
AG: …Babylon – “That sensual, insatiable vast womb,/ Of thy seen Church”, (“sensual”, you know, fucking, and cocksucking, and having banquets, and having boys. At this time, particularly, I guess during Renaissance times, the Church was particularly luxurious and amusing – and “insatiable” (like, getting in money, bringing in money) – “Vast womb” would refer to the whore of Babylon – “ Of thy seen Church, Thy unseen Church disgraceth” – (actually.. I don’t go over these poems very much in terms of meaning, tho’ they’re… partly because I’m … Read More
AG: Okay, next – (Edmund) Spenser! – We’ll have a little bit of Spenser anyway. Page one-sixty —page one-sixty . I thought that one long sonnet, an odd sonnet he’s got there. We’ll take one sonnet anyway.
Did we do this? Did we do that Sonnet 67 [Amoretti LXVII] ? on page one-sixty? – Well, it’s kind of witty and kind of interesting. Since we haven’t much of Spenser, lets just… Can somebody read that sonnet aloud? somebody who’s got the…Could you perhaps? [Allen turns to Student (Pat)] Well, Pat (sic), I think you’ve got … Read More
Well, ok, so we’ve had Tichborne, and then there’s another similar poem that’s not in this book by Lord Vaux. (Baron Vaux) “In the Sixteenth (Century)… In this Oxford book, it has a little note about how people published in those days: – “In the Sixteenth Century Courtly poets didn’t usually publish their work as soon as it was written. Copies of their verses circulated among their friends and often manuscript collections made up by their admirers got in the
AG: One thing we forgot was Chidiock Tichborne‘s elegy (on page one-three-two). That has a really pretty tune. I overlooked it last time – (one-thirty-two of the Norton (anthology)). Written in his own hand, in the tower, before his execution. So, he only had a few.. like.. that day to live. So what did he have to say? – It’s really great and it’s on the same line as Sir Walter Raleigh’s “The Lie” (remember we did that.. “”Tell men of high condition,/That manage the estate,/Their purpose is ambition… give them all the lie.” – … Read More