[Gregory Corso, Allen Ginsberg & Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche at Naropa]
AG: Gregory (Corso), you got any questions?
CT: Oh yeah
GC: Big crowd here [at Naropa] – and I don’t think much of the crowd thought he was in Vajrayana, with his Crazy Wisdom, right? – (Did you see) Crazy Wisdom, Allen?
[to Allen Ginsberg] – Don’t look at him, look at (me)
AG: Yeah, I would say so. True.
GC: It’s the first time I saw him like that
AG: Each line is supposed to have..?
CT: Yes, each line..
AW: So you have three things happening in each line?
CT: Yes, usually three, three situations
AW: It’s almost like a braiding technique, you know, making a braid
CT: Yes, right. If you have the whole poetry, you might have twenty of them, twenty eighteen-syllable lines – and the first one is three….the very first one is three, obviously, which is preparing the ground for the rest of it, and so, in the middle, in the middle, still, having three for logic, and then, at the end, also, continuing with imagery, (a lot of images), and (the) finish, the final conclusion, is also Threefold logic style, which concludes the line
Student: Is twenty lines a form?
AG: (Have) you written like that?
CT: Yeah – What’s that..? We don’t have any translation of it..
AG: Yeah. There’s the long long line. What is that? Twenty-eight syllables? – Is that the longest? I’ve forgotten
CT: That’s very long, That’s usually, actually, translation from the Sanskrit poetry sometimes
AG: What’s the longest line natural in Tibetan (in terms of sound) ?
CT: Naturally, seven ..or eight..
AG: Seven is the standard?
CT: ..Nine.. nine, yeah – da-da da-da da-da-da da-da
AG: Da-da da-da da-da-da da da
AG: So you get the one extra (for an emphasis) in it?
CT: Yeah.. always, yeah..
AG: Is there a rise in voice? Are there tones? Tones?
CT : (In Tibetan poetry) you make emphasis on the last…
CT: …or sometimes several..
AG: So there would be an up-beat?
CT: Da-da dad-a-da
AG: Are there also different pitches as in Chinese? and Greek?
CT: Sort of.. It’s very hard (to)..
AG: They’re not schematic.
CT: Yeah, not as much as Chinese..
AW: Also I was going to ask you about the puns. Are they sort of ordinary folk speech words and then also dharma words?
AG: Tom Veitch is teaching here. Anything on your mind?
Bobbie Louise Hawkins: (No)
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